Friday, June 30, 2006

It Was the Elves That Done It!

I talked previously about Jim Fetzer's inane comments on the radio, but he was actually the host, the guest he was nominally interviewing was fellow "scholar" Judy Wood, famous for her billiard ball theory. I read this comment that Judy made, on the JREF forum, and I thought the poster was just parodying her, but no, she actually said this. From the 27:15 mark, of the first hour:

Judy: Part of my research work has been to look at engineering in nature. How does nature design structures? And perhaps we can copy those designs and use them in engineering designs. And one thing that struck me about the World Trade Centers is that they are very much like trees. Core, outer core, inner core. A tube within a tube design, and that is what allows a tree to wave in the breeze.

Fetzer: Marvelous!

Judy: But also I started thinking about how do trees come down? They don’t start turning into sawdust from the top down.

(laughter)

Judy: With sawdust flying out.

Fetzer: That’s a perfect parallel, because what we actually have with the twin towers is they are blowing up from the top. Each floor is blowing up. So the sawdust, turning a tree into sawdust is perfect! Judy, absolutely a perfect analogy!

Judy: And recently I gave a talk at an engineering conference where I showed some diagrams of the buildings being built and I showed, “If this were a tree and the Keebler elves cut out this big chunk out of the side here, for their little house, where their dwelling is. Would that affect the towers?” And everyone in
the room could see, that no, the way the structure is designed, it can’t bring it down.

Fetzer: And the little house would be analogous to the plane impact?

Judy: Right, you could have several planes, the planes hitting the towers were like a bullet being shot into a tree.

Fetzer: Excellent! Excellent!
I do not know what to say to that. I am literally speechless.

36 Comments:

At 30 June, 2006 15:38, Blogger Unknown said...

Wow, My brain hurts now. There is no way she is an engineer, and if she is, she obviously graduated at the bottom of her class at nuttyville community college.

 
At 30 June, 2006 15:41, Blogger Unknown said...

Calm down, nesnyc! I know your franticaly smashing your keyboard trying to prove us all wrong. Let me save you the trouble, I'm aware that I'm not an engineer but neither are you so don't bother talking about it :)

 
At 30 June, 2006 16:03, Blogger Chad said...

Oh. My. Fucking. God.

How is it possible to rationally argue with people that believe this shit?!?!?!

I seriously want to punch this bitch in the face for being so fucking retarded. I'm sorry for the language, but COME ON!!

Trees and skyscrapers?!?!!

TREES AND SKYSCRAPERS!!?!?!?!?!

I'm just gonna throw this out there to any CTer reading this thread. Think about it. And then let me know whether or not Judy the Dipshit and Jimmy the Retard are correct in thinking that this analogy is even remotely sane....

Were. The towers. A solid. Mass?

 
At 30 June, 2006 16:52, Blogger shawn said...

I don't see your problem with what she said. More nitpicky stuff about her style

She compared a structure that was 95 percent air to a fucking tree.

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:35, Blogger nes718 said...

Bombs created the buckling, not fuel and office equipment fires. Many heard bombs all through the whole incident.

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:36, Blogger nes718 said...

Wow, My brain hurts now. There is no way she is an engineer, and if she is, she obviously graduated at the bottom of her class at nuttyville community college.

Even engineers are susceptible to lemminghood.

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:40, Blogger shawn said...

Many heard bombs all through the whole incident.

No, no, no idiot. They heard explosions. Secondary explosions are normal in a fire. Can you people be honest for once?

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:40, Blogger shawn said...

Even engineers are susceptible to lemminghood.

Irony alert.

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:52, Blogger shawn said...

Love how nesnyc completely ignores his lie and the pointing out of said lie?

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:54, Blogger nes718 said...

No, no, no idiot. They heard explosions. Secondary explosions are normal in a fire. Can you people be honest for once?

So Avian bottles and laser printers blow up? Hahahaha..

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:55, Blogger shawn said...

So Avian bottles and laser printers blow up? Hahahaha..

All sorts of cleaning materials, compressed cans of gas, transformers, etc...

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:55, Blogger shawn said...

Next you'll tell me people who heard explosions in house fires are all liars.

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:56, Blogger nes718 said...

Finish the sentence.

Bombs created the buckling because the buildings were systematically dismantled through the time period in question. This facilitated the final demolition charges to do their job without any significant obstructions.

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:56, Blogger Chad said...

Jack, Nessie!!!!

She compared the Twin Towers to FUCKING TREES!!!!

Fetzer thought this was a marvelous analogy!!!

What's unfortunate for you is that I could say, "Your collective brains are like a pile of cat shit that my dog ate and then threw up on my bedspread" and STILL be more accurate than what that crazy loon said.

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:56, Blogger nes718 said...

Next you'll tell me people who heard explosions in house fires are all liars.

No, their houses don't implode either.

 
At 30 June, 2006 17:57, Blogger shawn said...

No, their houses don't implode either.

And neither did the WTC! (That's sorta how it damaged buildings quite a bit away).

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:07, Blogger shawn said...

Bombs created the buckling because the buildings were systematically dismantled through the time period in question. This facilitated the final demolition charges to do their job without any significant obstructions.

And somehow everyone missed this charges, even though they'd have to be quite large to do any damage.

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:07, Blogger nes718 said...

so explosions in a house fire are ok, but explosions at the WTC proves it was a CD?

Explosions in house fires aren't frequent and don't demolish the house to the ground unlike that witnessed multiple explosions that that did indeed bring down the towers. That’s the difference if the topic is getting over your head.

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:09, Blogger shawn said...

Explosions in house fires aren't frequent and don't demolish the house to the ground unlike that witnessed multiple explosions that that did indeed bring down the towers. That’s the difference if the topic is getting over your head.

Right...right...somehow people heard the explosions right as the building collapsed and survived to report their tale.

Man, you love lying.

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:10, Blogger nes718 said...

And somehow everyone missed this charges, even though they'd have to be quite large to do any damage.

Not really. You're saying limited fires bought down the towers but discount limited explosives? Does that make any sense? People head the bombs and saw the flashes. All the collapse videos show controlled demolition. Only the foolish are missing the obvious.

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:11, Blogger nes718 said...

it wasnt the explosions that brought down the towers

Almost everybody said "the top blew off and the tower fell." Look it up champ.

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:12, Blogger shawn said...

You're saying limited fires bought down the towers but discount limited explosives?

A raging inferno isn't a "limited fire". The charges couldn't be limited, because each one would have to be large (remember a van full of explosives did superficial damage).

Does that make any sense? People head the bombs and saw the flashes.

THEY HEARD EXPLOSIONS, NOT BOMBS.

All the collapse videos show controlled demolition. Only the foolish are missing the obvious.

Too bad it looks nothing like any controlled demolition in the history of mankind.

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:13, Blogger shawn said...

If they were made of wood, fires could cause them to collapse.

Yup, steel faces no danger from the flame, that's why we insulate it in fireproofing.

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:20, Blogger nes718 said...

The airliners themselves tookout 44 columns (38 perimeter, 6 core).
So, the precludes the need for some preliminary explosives.....


That's not accurate. The building stood all the way until the fires began to cool, but they came down anyway. The whole place was rigged (shape charges, thermite) ; you would need far more damage and heat to cause the sudden collapse of the building like that.

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:22, Blogger shawn said...

The whole place was rigged (shape charges, thermite) ; you would need far more damage and heat to cause the sudden collapse of the building like that.

It wasn't exactly "sudden". And you completely ignore the fact that it would take years to rig the "whole place".

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:27, Blogger James B. said...

Bombs SNAP the structure while FIRE bends it.


Maybe they were really slow bombs?

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:27, Blogger Unknown said...

I'm not sure that is best place to enter this comment.

Here is is a four minute audio of Jim Fetzer with Ingraham on her show this a.m. This is all I see that is available for free. Fetzer performance in this clip doesn't show anything like the behaviors on Colmes show from a few nights ago.

Laura cites the New York Times, for goodness sake, which she has been bashing to no end, for part of the evidence that she brings up to call the CD idea of the WTC looney.

 
At 30 June, 2006 18:50, Blogger Alex said...

The (only) peer reviewed journal you guys can find specifically states that it was exclusively fire and no meaninful stuctural damage occurred from impact.

What the hell?

Which corner of your ass did you pull THAT out of?

 
At 30 June, 2006 19:15, Blogger James B. said...

But thermite is a very powerful explosive according to Jim Fetzer.

 
At 30 June, 2006 19:33, Blogger Alex said...

Like thermite?

Thermite is neither slow, nor a "bomb".

 
At 30 June, 2006 19:40, Blogger Chad said...

Last I checked, thermite doesn't make an explosive sound that the underground janitor would've heard either.

 
At 30 June, 2006 20:35, Blogger James B. said...

Now imagine the World Trade Center was a shrubbery. Now if a family of leprachauns built a home in that shrubbery and then set fire to it after downing a keg of Guinness, do you think that shubbery would just turn into branches and collapse? I don't think so.

See, it had to be controlled demolition. Case closed.

 
At 01 July, 2006 13:10, Blogger Chad said...

Now imagine the World Trade Center was a shrubbery.

Good God man!! That's it!

The towers were shrubbery, brought down not with planes, or fires, or bombs, or thermite, but with...

A HERRING!!!

(This post brought to you by the Knights Who Say 'Ni'.)

 
At 01 July, 2006 13:31, Blogger James B. said...

Now if it were hit by a swallow...

 
At 01 July, 2006 14:39, Blogger Chad said...

It could grip it by the husk!

 
At 01 July, 2006 15:01, Blogger James B. said...

European of course. Everyone knows that African swallows are not migratory.

 

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