The Loosers In Their Own Words
Mark Roberts, aka Gravy at the JREF Forums, has done the 9-11 Truth Debunking movement another huge service by compiling a terrific PDF file of the Loosers Dylan Avery, Jason Bermas and Korey Rowe in their own words. He listened to a huge number of interviews with the Loosers to put this together. I mean, I know how excruciating it can be, I mean, like transcribing, Dylan's long ramblings. I mean. Be sure to read the interview near the end with Bermas, where he endorses every conspiracy theory under the sun. The phone conversation with holocaust denier and 9-11 nutbar Eric Hufschmid comes in for particular attention. Get this yukking with Dylan and an interviewer, and remember that Loose Change is dedicated to those we lost on 9-11:
Blood: And these pilots, I mean, we interviewed Debra Burlingame, whose brother Chick was the one supposedly flying that plane that hit the Pentagon–
Avery: Oh, that’s right! I heard about that!
Blood: –And of course she is a TOTAL shill for the Republican Party, she also spoke at the [Republican National] Convention. And is it ABSURD that she went on and on about how her brother was ex-military, how she knows that her brother and the other pilots fought for their lives, against these deadly terrorists–
Avery: Yeaaah, yeah. Whatever.
Blood: (mocking an Arabic accent): It is my preevilege to keel you with thees box cutter!
Avery: Ha ha!
More discussion of this file here. Terrific job as always by Mark.
posted by Pat @ 7:29 PM
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41 Comments:
I was just amazed to read this:
"So Mr. Eagar has become reluctantly familiar with Mr. Jones's hypothesis, and he is not impressed. For example, he says, the cascade of yellow-hot particles coming out of the south tower could be any number of things: a butane can igniting, sparks from an electrical arc, molten aluminum and water forming a hydrogen reaction — or, perhaps most likely, a spontaneous, completely accidental thermite reaction.
Occasionally, he says, given enough mingled surface area, molten aluminum and rust can react violently, à la thermite. Given that there probably was plenty of molten aluminum from the plane wreckage in that building, Mr. Eagar says, it is entirely possible that this is what happened."
This quote comes from here: Professors of Paranoia? Academics give a scholarly stamp to 9/11 conspiracy theories
This quote from Eagar is ludicrous. It shows the most careless treatment of the facts, and any scientific treatment of the facts possible.
It is embarrassing, and any of you reading this who have a smidgeon of integrity would review this and see that, although you may not want to change your mind about possible alternative explanations of 9/11, you certainly don't want to pin you prove on Prof. Eagar.
It is embarrassing, and any of you reading this who have a smidgeon of integrity would review this and see that
For ONCE take your own advice.
This quote from Eagar is ludicrous. It shows the most careless treatment of the facts, and any scientific treatment of the facts possible.
It is embarrassing, and any of you reading this who have a smidgeon of integrity would review this and see that, although you may not want to change your mind about possible alternative explanations of 9/11, you certainly don't want to pin you prove on Prof. Eagar.
WHY BG?
Shawn,
I know my grammer was off (I may re-comment and delete) but I don't follow you. What specifically would you like me to look at and admit that the argument that is being made is ludicrous.
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Why is it ludicrous BG?
How does it show the most careless treatment of facts?
Point to some specifics instead of brushing the entire quote off as "dumb".
You're obviously the expert here. Enlighten us.
Chad,
The reason I say Eagar is grasping as straws is:
Eagar's speculating that the aluminum from the airplane could have created a thermite reaction at all, much less 30 floors below, in a very selected (strategic columns that would lead to collapse) has to be the most laughable idea of 2006. It defies logic completely.
It doesn't even reach the level of the specious arguments used in PM Mag.
Here a Link that describes what is usually required to create ignition and burning using termite.
I doubt Eagar:
a) has ever made themite or purchased it and witnessed the reaction,
b) has ever reviewed the video on which Dr. Jones bases some of his speculation.
And, he still ignore the evidence of thermate rather than thermite.
I doubt Eager.... has ever made themite or purchased it and witnessed the reaction.
He's a materials engineer at MIT. Are you kidding me with that statement??
And watch the video again. Your thermite/mate is falling out of the impact zone. Not 30 floors below.
And you're deluded if you think the only aluminum in that building was from the planes. The entire facade of the building was aluminum....
And about your (strategic columns that would lead to collapse). Are you suggesting that those two or three (I'll even give you five) columns around the corner are the only columns that need to be cut (fail) in order for the building to collapse?? Yet the 100 or so columns the plane took out would have no effect on the structural integrity whatsoever?
That's some pretty shitty engineering if that's the case. You guys might want to start looking into the architect of the towers too. He obviously had a hand in all this.
Avery is both an unbelievable idiot and a disgusting human being.
Let's have a chuckle over those who died!
Gravy = stalker.
"Eagar's speculating that the aluminum from the airplane could have created a thermite reaction at all, much less 30 floors below, in a very selected (strategic columns that would lead to collapse) has to be the most laughable idea of 2006. It defies logic completely. "
What defies logic completely is the idea that "the Zionist Amerikkkan CIA" planted thermite in the towers, especialy when you've got an ACTUAL expert (not a political science major for once) telling you that spontaneous thermitic reactions can and do take place in certain circumstances.
I'll add one other thing, I doubt that flow (coming out of the fully deveoped fire) was a pure flow of anything.
Indeed. The appearance reminds me of the old "firefalls' they used to do at Yosemite years ago, only not as dense.
telling you that spontaneous thermitic reactions can and do take place in certain circumstances.
Is that like human spontaneous combustion? Interesting...
Nice personal attack nesync. I'm surprised you didn't accuse Gravy of being jewish yes. Anything more to justify your hate and racist tendecies, eh?
Personal? Isn't "gravy" bringing the personal with his attacks on the Loose Change crew? Gravy is purely an attack the messenger type. I reiterate, stalker.
Personal? Isn't "gravy" bringing the personal with his attacks on the Loose Change crew?
It is not a personal attack when all you are doing is quoting what the person says, with proper sourcing and context. Gravy has done that.
Calling him a 'stalker' on the other hand is a personal attack and is unsupported by the evidence.
"Some of the families who were paid off would have had no legal claim, such as parents of adult children who died."
Why not?
Mark Goldman's father sued OJ.
Just remember that DB Cooper had nothing but a briefcase full of wires and junk.
Also remember that where the boxcutter was reported, they also stated that one of the Flight Attendants had been stabbed. Gets the point across I guess.
I heard that there was bomb threats as well.
Yeah, everybody heard this or that. It's called hearsay. Meanwhile, we have white vans blowing up and Israelis getting caught yet everybody wants to ignore that solid proof.
Meanwhile, we have white vans blowing up and Israelis getting caught yet everybody wants to ignore that solid proof.
White Vans blowing up that you have no more than a garbled radio recording as evidence.
Been to King street lately? Did you document the repair work? Interview the inhabitants?
No bomb went off on King Street.
Its not hearsay, you can hear an audio recording of the hijackers stating this
It's pretty well established, the "phone calls" could not have happened, period. Can we say manufactured? Of course we can. Question, were Israelis detained in connection with 9/11? Of course they were.
Been to King street lately? Did you document the repair work? Interview the inhabitants?
No bomb went off on King Street.
And you have proof of this? At least I pointed you to a recording where cops clearly state the van blew up. Are you calling them liars too?
We don't even know if the white van blew up, or if it was the bomb squad who blew it up or what. The other report states
"The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”
Did you hear the recording? The van blew up unless of course NYPD was in on framing the Isralies but later changed their mind.
Did you hear the recording? The van blew up unless of course NYPD was in on framing the Isralies but later changed their mind.
The recording means squat in light of the fact that there are no reports of damage or casualties in King Street, and no witnesses at all to any explosion on King street. People live there, people have business there, people park cars there, people just plain ol' walk by the thousands and nobody hear, sees or learns about this explosion? Strain credulity much?
Hmm, an engineer at MIT, the most distinguished engineering school in the world, vs a physicist specializing in the joke science of cold fusion at BYU, a second rate religious school in Utah.
Gee, who do I go with?
a man with an Arabic accent, probably Ziad Jarrah, transmitted to flight control the following: "Ladies and gentlemen, here [is] the captain, please sit down, keep remaining sitting. We have a bomb on board.
Probably? Maybe? Okay, that's solid proof then. I guess I was wrong, NOT. Even from some of your "recordings" no one ever says "Arabic" they all say "Middle Eastern" and we know Israel is part of that muddle. Those "voices" were Israeli operatives giving directions and coercing the passengers to fake those calls. The planes landed, the passengers killed and the Israelis got away with murder with a little help from their friends in DoD/CIA/NORAD and others high level traitors for Israel.
These were the men that 9/11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean, a brazen liar, said he'd never heard of when a C-SPAN caller questioned him.
He didn't hear irrelevant information? OH NO!
"ZE JOOOOOS DID IT" is only relevant if you're an anti-semite, or if there's fairly good evidence linking them to the event. We know which category insync falls in, and it appears you've decided to join him there.
I heard there were new yorkers dancing at night-clubs later that evening. Maybe THEY did it.
As for the MIT engineer (vs Prof. Jones), theres a famous quote that goes something like, "You can't make a man understand something that he's paid not to understand."
Ah, yes. Anyone who disagrees with you must be corrupt. Meanwhile the people making a killing from books and movies about the conspiracy theory are all in it for "the truth". That's a handy way of looking at it.
Probably? Maybe? Okay, that's solid proof then. I guess I was wrong, NOT. Even from some of your "recordings" no one ever says "Arabic" they all say "Middle Eastern" and we know Israel is part of that muddle.
Shut the fuck up asshole. That statement was made to refute your idiotic claim that reports of bombs on the plane were all "heresay". He DEFFINITELY disproved that assertion. Now you're jumping topics and talking about something completely different, without even bothering to acknowledge the fact that he absolutely decimated your argument.
Those "voices" were Israeli operatives giving directions and coercing the passengers to fake those calls. The planes landed, the passengers killed and the Israelis got away with murder with a little help from their friends in DoD/CIA/NORAD and others high level traitors for Israel.
No, it was the Martians. They made the planes land on the moon and then turned the passangers over to their Venusian overlords. It's recorded fact because I wrote about it on my blog, and my buddy who's a janitor for a physics proffesor made a 5 minute video about it. You can't argue with that kind of evidence!
Shut the fuck up asshole.
This dude just nullified his position by default. No need to proceed here. Mental deficiency is a beeeeooootch isn't it? LOL!!
This quote from Eagar is ludicrous. It shows the most careless treatment of the facts, and any scientific treatment of the facts possible.
I agree. The lemming effect shows through loud and clear in this piece. How does aluminum from a plane spontaneously take down an entire building like the world trade towers? If anything, the guys on here should be envious of how this high profile lemming can "fudge" the facts better than them.
This kid's truly insane. Makes you wonder how he manages to operate in normal society. What the hell could you use someone like him for? Squeegee kid maybe?
Nesnyc, not to get off topic, but are you a valley girl?
Were you maybe raised by valley girls?
'Cause I see a lot of their annoying -isms in your posts. ("NOT!", "beeeooootch", and "NEXT!" to name a few.)
I'm waiting for you to back up your theories with, "Man, that evidence is HOT!"
Or try and debunk the OS with, "That engineer is hella-inaccurate."
OH SNAP GIRLFRIEND!!!
(Sorry, I forgot. I'm dealing with Nesnyc here, so I have to throw in some JOOSPENTAGONPENTAGONJOOS, otherwise he won't understand.)
Israelis getting caught
GETTING CAUGHT FILMING THE ATTACK. Jeez, let's arrest all those cameramen for the major news networks now. Not to mention dozens of others from around the area.
Why dance around the central point, loosers and truthers?
Everyone knows it was Rove, via Cheney, via Wolfowitz, with Bush and Gingrich cheering them on from the top of Bohemian Grove, in a conspiracy to institute a new world police state order to control your mind and what you write and film (cue scary music and shaky amature camera footage).
That, after all, is the animating notion driving these kooks. That, a big fat dollar sign, and manifest BDS.
I, for one, am enjoying watching the "loosers" retract, alter, backpedal, and do everything they humanly can to avoid facing facts and evidence. Mark's viewer's guide and quote compendium is just another nail in the coffins of these college dropouts.
Too sweet. Don't be insulted by these people - laugh in their faces.
backpedal, and do everything they humanly can to avoid facing facts and evidence.
"I don't know where Osama is and I don't care"
- Bush backpedaling :D
GETTING CAUGHT FILMING THE ATTACK. Jeez, let's arrest all those cameramen for the major news networks now. Not to mention dozens of others from around the area.
Well, I'm all for it if:
1. They had thousands in cash
2. They had Arab disguises
3. They were acting suspicious
4. They had vans blowing up
5. Bomb dogs went crazy when they sniffed the "moving" van.
Nesnyc, if you think killing Osama bin Laden will completely end al-Qaeda's reign of terror, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.
That's not say I wouldn't love to see him die (although I'd rather see him captured).
It's pretty well established, the "phone calls" could not have happened, period.
NES, how can you be this stupid and still know how to breathe correctly?
sorry, but you've just lost any credibility you may have held with me. i guess at this point i only pay attention because it's funny (in a sad way) to see how efficiently the board members here tear apart your flimsy arguments.
That's pretty much the only reason anyone here pays attention to him. It's absolutely futile, but can be amusing when you're bored. Like arguing with the drunk homeless guy in front of your favourite pub.
Like arguing with the drunk homeless guy in front of your favourite pub.
Except that guy is more coherant and less deranged than Nesync.
So I’m organizing a panel in San Francisco for The RU Sirius Show where a skeptic and an advocate of the “9/11Truth” campaign can debate. The panel will be on September 10, in the afternoon in SF. And someone suggested getting in touch with “Pat & James.” And after going from one link to another, I find no email. So I’m posting this note here, hoping someone will get hold of me.
Here’s a debate on the topic that we ran last year:
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